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Old 07-02-2010, 07:17 PM
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Not a good idea to leave any valve kit on 24/7 IMO.
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Those 509's are just so practical - you can expect many years of trouble free music. No worries.

If you ask Tim De P about re-tubing he says ' If it's working and doesn't hum or buzz, leave it alone '.......
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Not a good idea to leave any valve kit on 24/7 IMO.
I completely agree. All you're doing is wasting electricity and vastly shortening the life of your valves!

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Old 08-02-2010, 11:53 PM
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I completely agree. All you're doing is wasting electricity and vastly shortening the life of your valves!

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When I visited Castle Marco, you told me that you kept your valve gear on all the time. Or did I hear you incorrectly?

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Old 09-02-2010, 12:11 AM
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Lol - you heard incorrectly!

I only keep the solid-state stuff permanently switched on (CD transport, DAC, tuner and PSU for the Techy). The valve amps are only switched on when they're being used. Both the Croft and copper amp only take 20 mins or so to fully come on song, so there's no major warm-up issues

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Lol - you heard incorrectly!

I only keep the solid-state stuff permanently switched on (CD transport, DAC, tuner and PSU for the Techy). The valve amps are only switched on when they're being used. Both the Croft and copper amp only take 20 mins or so to fully come on song, so there's no major warm-up issues

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When you say "the valve amps are only switched on when they're being used", do you mean switched on from cold or is it just the HT that is switched on?

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Old 09-02-2010, 11:04 AM
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Since posting my findings I've come across other references to a burn-in/settling down time for valves (of weeks in some cases, but obviously depends upon usage). One of these was from the States, so it would seem to be a fairly recognisable phenomenon.

Everything else seems to need a 'burn-in' period (odd phrasal verb, that, esp. when used for cables!), so it all seems quite logical to me.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:28 AM
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Hi Barry,

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When you say "the valve amps are only switched on when they're being used", do you mean switched on from cold or is it just the HT that is switched on?
Initially switched on from cold. I will knock the HT off though if I leave them for a bit while I'm doing something else

However in answer to the thread question, from experience, I would say categorically "yes".

In my experience, most components used in a hi-fi system benefit from 'running-in': from cables to equipment (valves included), to loudspeaker drive units - all sorts!

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Heavily-modified MK5G Technics SL-1210/Time Step PSU/ Jelco SA-750D (with Jelco heavy counterweight) and Bruil record clamp/Ortofon SPU Classic GM MKII, (Shure M3D and Denon DL-103 also used with high-mass vintage headshells). Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 transport/DAC. Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X preamp. Auditorium 23 MC step-up transformer and Lentek active MC 'head amp'. Tube Distinctions 30W Class A (P/P) KT88 Copper amp using NOS GEC valves. 'Lockwood Major' speakers with 15" Tannoy Monitor Golds, using modern high-grade crossovers. Celestion Ditton 15 XRs also used. Stands by Mana (non-magnetic stainless steel version arranged in various 'Phases'). Cables: Mark Grant DSP 2.5 mains leads upgraded with Furutech FI-50 IECs and Furutech FI-1363 mains plugs. Mark Grant G1000HD interconnects upgraded with WBT NextGen-0110 Cu RCAs. Also, Supra 'Trico' digital cable and VDH 'The Wind' Hybrid II speaker cable. Tube Distinctions mains filter. VPI HW 16.5 record cleaner.
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Marco, you're quite wrong you know..................

Running in indeed - never heard such nonsense
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Well I must be cloth-eared also then,cos I'd say stuff definately runs in,including valves.If you are sceptical,go to hifi collective and purchase some ESA Clarity Caps.Stick them in a valve amp and then listen to sound going all over the place for the next fortnight or so.One minute screechy as hell,the next loads of bass and no top end.I thought there was something wrong with them at first,but they did settle down eventually,and now sound very nice indeed.
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