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    Join Date: Sep 2008

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    Default Some changes to the small room

    There's been some changes made to the small room in the last few weeks so time for an update methinks.


    Though this room is only small, it seems to suck the bass out of most speakers, so the blessing (or the curse) is that I can (have to) use rather large speakers without having issues with bass boom, (my excuse anyhoo).


    The kit list now reads:


    The Fat Marts Mental Home Build PC (yup, games nut too, gawd elp me)

    Yamaha CD-S 1000 CD player

    Marantz DV-7600 DVD player

    Denon AVC-A1SR

    LG 47" LCD TV

    Usher Dancer CP-8571 II fronts

    Usher X-616 centre on Usher RWS-729 speaker stands

    Usher X-719 rears wall mounted

    Mordant Short Avant 309i sub

    Albido, JPS Labs & Audioquest mains, IC's & speaker cables

    Target 4 shelf rack.

    Couple of pics






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    Mart

    It may be small but it looks nicely appointed with some 'mood' lighting, a serious listening chair and a nice colour scheme. Neat and tidy too!
    Steve.

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    Thanks Steve

    Yeah, just finished decorating it and getting everything set up, the chairs too comfy, usually wake up in it about 4 in the morning.

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    A well equipped little room that is Some nice kit in there to & i can imagine that it's very enjoyable, your description of waking up at 04:00 kind of confirms this

    I'd be tempted to swing the rears in towards the chair as it looks like the drivers might be slightly forward of where your head would be (or possibly in line). Just a possible suggestion

    I couldn't complain a bit though, nice little getaway you have there
    Bests, Mark



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    Thanks for the comments Mark

    Listening chair comes forward into the middle of the room for movies and games in surround so the back speaks are where they need to be.

    You described it perfectly, it is my "getaway" from everything and I enjoy it thoroughly, whether listening to a jazz player in a smokey little club, watching some spiffy dude in a long leather mac n dark glasses snog Trinity or gaming, which at the mo is wandering round the African Savanna blasting anything that moves in Farcry 2 (beautiful game) which I'm about to do next, soon be 4 am again.






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    I would hope your keeping the volume down to a minimum.
    6 channels in such a small untreated room would be a reflection nightmare.
    If you toe in the floor standers it will reduce some side reflections.
    The sub can be tilted slightly up in the front and the rears slightly raised at the rear pointing slightly down.
    You can tweek things and turn up the volume to see if it's better or worse.
    Jeff :UBERTHREADKILLER

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    I didnt put a system like that together just to keep the volume down, and the Ushers love to boogie.

    Believe me, much tweaking and twiddling has been done and I'm happy with the results, no nightmares remain.

    As for reflections, all rooms have them, big or small, treated or not, the big factor is "when" said reflection reaches your lugoles, also, not all reflections are bad.

    The big Ushers were in a room five times that size before they came to me, yet I've managed to get deeper tighter bass.

    Boils down to one thing, you cant judge how a room will sound by looking at a picture of it.

    Think I'm gonna get a hammock, then the bed can go and I can get another pair of floorstanders for rears

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    Hi Mart,

    Nice set-up

    Just a quick one.... Would you please add your basic geographic location to your profile?

    We like to know where our members come from - cheers!

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Mart,

    Nice set-up

    Just a quick one.... Would you please add your basic geographic location to your profile?

    We like to know where our members come from - cheers!

    Marco.

    Done

    Are you still running that Moggy Minor btw ?

    Can remember lifting a rather huge amp into the back of it a while back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mart View Post
    The big Ushers were in a room five times that size before they came to me, yet I've managed to get deeper tighter bass.

    Boils down to one thing, you cant judge how a room will sound by looking at a picture of it.
    Funny that you mention this as this is exactly what i also find Once you get below the frequency of the lowest standing wave the room can produce all the bass is incredibly tight & detailed simply because the room can no longer mess the sound up at those frequencies

    I'm getting very decent bass right down to 15Hz that can be both felt & heard in a room with the longest dimension of just over 4M.

    Bigger rooms simply lower the frequency that the room can react with & this probably explains why a good friend of mine is never content with the sound of his system, he can't get the bass right no matter what he does

    E2A:- I'm not a gamer but those screen shots look rather good to me - Enjoy
    Bests, Mark



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